Hi people,It seems that F20 ships without climate control by default now (even on the SE model) and you only get it if you order the Interior Comfort Pack. I didn't realise this, and as came for free on my old 118D SE I just presumed my new 118D SE would also have it (serves me right for not reading the brochure properly!).I'm wondering if there's any way to retrofit the climate control panel to the car? It looks like the climate control panel is a module which has the same connector on it that the manual controls have. Does anyone know if this is possible? I think the part is about £150 but I'm not sure if perhaps there are other sensors etc around the car which might be necessary (there is one temp sensor built into the control panel itself I notice).

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I remember on my last car it seemed to 'know' that the front windscreen was fogged and automatically demisted it, so perhaps there are sensors on the glass or perhaps in the rear mirror assembly which my car might not have?Nick. Nmg196 wrote:I'm wondering if there's any way to retrofit the climate control panel to the car? It looks like the climate control panel is a module which has the same connector on it that the manual controls have.

Does anyone know if this is possible? I think the part is about £150 but I'm not sure if perhaps there are other sensors etc around the car which might be necessary (there is one temp sensor built into the control panel itself I notice).There are more to auto climate systems than just the face panel, and because of all the extra temp sensors fitted around the cars interior, it's not normally possible to retro fit/convert from 'manual' a/c to auto CC. GeeRam wrote:There are more to auto climate systems than just the face panel, and because of all the extra temp sensors fitted around the cars interior, it's not normally possible to retro fit/convert from 'manual' a/c to auto CC.People keep saying 'all the extra sensors' but as far as I'm aware, the only temp sensor is the one in the control panel itself. The car only has one cockpit so has no need for more than one sensor.Perhaps the F20 system has been dumbed down then.?On the E82 with CC, there is also a condensation sensor as well as a solar sensor, and this is usually the same on most cars with auto CC that I've owned. And being a dual zone system there would need to be a min of two temp sensors, one on each side of the car, for it to work as a dual zone system.?? GeeRam wrote:On the E82 with CC, there is also a condensation sensor as well as a solar sensor, and this is usually the same on most cars with auto CC that I've owned.

And being a dual zone system there would need to be a min of two temp sensors, one on each side of the car, for it to work as a dual zone system.??There isn't a really such a thing as a dual zone system - it's just there for the 'feel good factor' There is only one cabin in a car so it can obviously only be one temperature. I read that the passenger controls simply bias the temperature of the vents of the passenger side slightly (mainly in the footwell), but the car will essentially be heated to the temperature the driver has set. It's explained quite well on another site so I'll try and dig out the link.You're right about the condensation sensor - I think it's in the rear view mirror but often these small things are always fitted there's no cost saving to take them out when not required (hence wiring harnesses being installed for things like cruise control or electric folding mirrors on cars never destined to have those features). Falmouthboy wrote:Also, I assume the manual system isn't dual zone like the climate control. This too is bound to involve extra 'gubbins'.

An independent forum for Volkswagen Golf GTI enthusiasts. Forum features technical help, news, events reviews and humour! Golf mk7 (Moderator. Does anyone know if there is an option to retrofit a climate windscreen to a 2015 mk7 Golf? I understand the cost might not justify the project, I was just wondering if it possible in principle.

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For a start, there must be temp sensors on each side of the car.No, there is only one cabin in a car, so only one temperature sensor needed. You cannot have the left and right hand sides of the cabin at different temperatures unless you were to install a huge partition right down the middle of the car.You can prove this by setting the temp settings to two different temps (eg 18 (passenger) and 26 (driver)) and you'll see the car quickly ends up at 26. I had this argument with someone before and did this to prove it to them The passenger controls just bias which vents the hot/cold air comes out of (eg not blowing freezing cold air-conditioned air at the passenger if they've set their side to 24 and yours is set to 18).

No clever electronics can get around the laws of fluid dynamics, but if you give the passenger the feeling of control and avoid blowing freezing cold air at them, then the dial has served it's purpose. Hi all,I am also interested in the original question cause I (wrongly) ordered a F21 without automatic control and I would like to check if a retrofit is possible.F20/F21 could have (depending on the market) the following climate control configurations:1. Basic: no automatic regulation (but dials are electric (not mechanic) controls)2. Basic automatic: with Auto button, temperature sensor and a fdial for setting the temperature3.

Dual automatic (or high): with Auto button, 1 temperature sensor, 2 displays for setting the temperature and other sensors (e.g. Su sensor)The climate control board for versions 2 and 3 are visible in this site:' onclick='window.open(this.href);return false;specifically:2. Diagram 'AUTOMATIC AIR CONDITIONING CONTROL'3.

Has anyone retrofitted climate control? Is possible to do? What parts would you need to do it?

I am assuming it requires tech2 programming also?Anyone have climate control who can give me a bit more info on it? How exactly does it work? It regulates the temperature for you, to a temperature you specify? Or how does it work. What about air conditioning, can you control that or is it automatic? Right now I just have the regular heater controls with air conditioning.

They dont offer electronic climate control over here as an option. Im wondering though if we can retrofit it still since alot of the wiring hasnt changed, and if so, how easy it is to retrofit.Is the only way to get the internal temp on the screen to be adding climate control? Can you just add the sensor?

Thats mainly what I want is to be able to see the internal temp on the screen like you do with the climate control.Thanks for the help! The screen I have now (the one I retrofitted) has the space in the sort of box on the bottom for the climate stuff, but its empty since I dont have it. The ones here arent programmed like mine, they dont have that rectangular box on the bottom. It would be nice to be able to retrofit it!

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Its hard to regulate the temperature in the car now, Im always turning it up or down when its too hot/cold.well if its a GID, thats fine and will save you a few $$$:)im not too sure what you mean, you got a pic?what would you consider expensive? Its probably not easily possible:( But was wondering cause if its possible I may do it.well i would exxpect it to be more than the costed option from the factory:(. I looked into this and decided it was way too much like hard work and expense.

Not only do you need an array of extra sensors and different wiring looms, I think you even need a different air conditioning compressor.There are two plugs on the back of the climate panel, and the pin configurations are totally different to the standard aircon panel. You would need to take out a lot of pins from the plugs and put them in different locations. Then you'd need to replace the missing pins, running your own wiring to the sensors.No way would I take this on.

Massive job with no guarantee that it would all work when you'd finished. Well if its a GID, thats fine and will save you a few $$$:)im not too sure what you mean, you got a pic?well i would exxpect it to be more than the costed option from the factory:(Yeah give me a sec on the pics. Could just be the way dealership programmed it, but mine came out with the bottom box area.I dunno how much it is from factory cause we dont get it:(K, pics, this is what my GID looks like:this is what the factory programmed one looks like:http://www.saturnfans.com/photos/showphoto.php/photo/45993. I was advised when I enquired to a garage (where i knew a few guys and said, if money was no object) that it was not viable to do due to the senors and wiring looms etc needed, i was told to trade in my astra for one in the same colour but with better trim and the climate included lol.As you said tho, you dont have the option for climate from the factory? Thats weird!After looking at the link can i also just express my jealousy over this:http://www.saturnfans.com/photos/showphoto.php/photo/45992/size/big/cat.

I was advised when I enquired to a garage (where i knew a few guys and said, if money was no object) that it was not viable to do due to the senors and wiring looms etc needed, i was told to trade in my astra for one in the same colour but with better trim and the climate included lol.As you said tho, you dont have the option for climate from the factory? Thats weird!After looking at the link can i also just express my jealousy over this:ECC is not an option here:(.

Just the regular climate control (without Air Conditioning) Or the Climate control with air conditioning (like mine) which is included in the XR option here. I guess they tried to pick the options they figured most people would want over here. They kept most, but a few didnt make it over our way.

Its hard to classify our Astras into one of your categories, because we have alot of the features standard on our XR model, but to try to classify where ours rank in relation to your models is hard because one thing or another will be missing from one classification, but then we have others from the next model up, so it kinda fits in an in between. Either way, they still should have kept it as an add on option I think, no matter how many people wanted it or not.The cup holders from the back seat? Yeah we all get those. Come in handy for sure. I thought though they were available on some of your Astras also?Another thing we dont have here that some people wished had stayed are the rear fogs. They took them out of our Astras.

Everything is there for them still except the wiring relay, so while technically you can retrofit them, its aloooot of hassle. We also have the Daytime Running Lights over here, since in Canada they are a legal requirement, and they made them standard on the US model also even though its not required there, to keep the North American model standard.We dont get the Sat Nav system either.

Im thinking thats because theres no maps for us for that system so it wouldnt even make sense, plus we do have nav through onstar though which they like to keep pretty much a standard feature in all new GM vehicles over here. Onstar is a bigger priority to them than anything else, go figure.I guess I can kiss my hope for ECC goodbye then:lol. Nah ive never seen the cup holders.I find it very strange, somewhat dangerous surely that you do not have rear fogs - is that at all?!?Yep no rear fogs. Rear fogs are illegal in many places in the US and Canada. Some vehicles have them (ie imports) but to use them is illegal in most places. In Canada, I think you can have one, but 2 is illegal.

Its because on most vehicles with them, it looks like the brake lights are always on, and some people get confused between rear fogs and brake lights and might miss someone braking. Our rear signal lights etc here are red too, unlike the amber that you guys have. Its another 'Safety' issue because red cannot be mistaken whatsoever for the front of a vehicle in bad conditions. All about satefy:roll:Some people here dont turn on their tail lights, and you can easily miss them, but most newer cars here now have an automatic setting for the lights which take care of that for the people who dont like to use their headlights, or forget they need to turn them on.:roll.